4 years ago. Beyonder(Pre-Retcon) Tier 1. A desperate Molecule Man begins crying about the. ) along with the Great Houses of Gallifrey (A. And Anyone that says Dragonball characters can beat someone like the Living Tribunal is delusional. PR-Beyonder gets slapped like a red-headed stepchild, and people still keep trying to throw him in. He could possibly neutralise Doc and Sun with science alone but the others are true top-end with actual god tier powers. The living embodiment of The Beyond Realm, a reality outside of the Marvel multiverse, he utilizes his powers over reality, space, and time to observe the never-ending battle between good and evil, serving as both an ally and enemy to Earth's greatest heroes. She’s not on Living Tribunal’s tier. Now after the retcon the Living Tribunal, and by extension Michael and Lucifer are above the Beyonder. Win by death, KO, incapBeyonder (Pre Retcon) Molecule Man(Pre Retcon) The Living Tribunal; Oblivion; Amatsu-Mikaboshi (Chaos King) Cosmic Entities. S. He can´t beat Lucifer. Yep. I have little knowledge on LT Unfourantlly other then he's a God Tier in. I think it was Uncanny X-men 203#. The Beyonder was originally an organizer of a massive. Lucifer does not stand a chance here. LT literally held the entirety of Marvel and DC universe in the palm of. 43. Bill also got more experience than Beyonder since Bill is over 1 trillion-year-old. And the Beyonder and the Molecule Man are in fact, two halves of one such Cosmic Cube. Within the beyond realm, he's supposed to be omnipresent. Round 10: Presence And GEB ( Respect Thread for GEB) Both are. Master/Crazy Hand, Tabuu, Galeem/Dharkon. All of Thanos’ feats are fodder tier in comparison to him. Pre-Retcon Beyonder, as powerful as he is, is STILL bound by dimensionality. MrStealYoSweetroll • 2 yr. Pretty sure he can't do shit to The Presence lol & there's also Lucy & Michael there. Lucifer could just tricked Beyonder like Molecule Man did to Beyonder. Jump Force Goku view all Shonen as fiction how will Pre Retcon Beyonder will win. When Molecule Man faced The Sentry, he was in his unrestrained normal-self as he showed himself able to use his powers in new ways as he got rid of all his negative beliefs on his abilities (the Dark Reign Files are a. Pre-Retcon Beyonder. . ProfessorRespect. The brothers are strongest than the living tribunal and the spectre. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is honestly far less impressive than Molecule man, at least current molecule man. Alien X (Ben 10) vs pre retcon Beyonder. This thread wouldn't affect what tier Molecule Man (Pre-Retcon) is at because he still would be High 1-B. P. Share Sort by: Best. Lucifer Morningstar at his strongest is Oblivion-tier. At the time this storyline was written Beyonder Spider-Man would stomp. 0. Planetary. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. GameStop Moderna Pfizer Johnson & Johnson AstraZeneca Walgreens Best Buy Novavax SpaceX Tesla. #31. WF Mr. Follow 41314. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. It would be the Inhuman/mutant beyonder powers so Post Retcon but not the trash Cosmic Cube one. Nov 25, 2017. . The Scarlet King scales above Aleph 2 and 3 which Marvel doesn't reach that level. Even LT feared him and begged him not to do everything he did. This is pre-retcon Beyonder. 7 years ago. I think HOI vision, GOS loki, GOP thor all beat astral regulator Thanos (arguments can show that gop and gos neg thanos) that's only to name a few, I'm sure there's more specially since u included non cannon. as omnipotent deities in their respective realities, the OAA Dominates the Hoi Realm. Tier Limit-Outerversal. Thanos with the HOTU is more powerful than LT as well, though I can't remember any massive feats he had. Forum Posts. Attack techniques and abilities: The Presence has many aspects including. CynicalWeeb's Demonbane is Lucifer level. #1 KalKent1297. And boy, DC is supremely addicted to crises. He was basically like if God tried to create a champion capable of doing just about everything that. BeyonderGod's Beyonder is Omnipotent. the_doctor. Interesting. Some stuff from DC like Lucifer Morningstar. here is a fight that involves. but pre-Retcon Beyonder was explicitly a being outside of the Marvel totality. Conceptual Warping Tier C vs Particle Manipulating Tier B. Wiki Points. Tier 0/0 > Tier A. 4 12 12 comments Best Top New Controversial Q&A CynicalWeeaboo • 7 yr. True Form Pennywise ain't on Pre-Retcon Beyonder's level, lol. HOTU has shit tier feats, as does Beyonder. It should however be noted that sometimes having overall destructive capacity is not enough to defeat others that have "broken" or "hax" abilities. PR Beyonder > Celestials > Phoenix Force. The One Above All/Pre retcon Beyonder (both characters were created by legendary comic book writers Jack Kirby and Jim Shooter, Beyonder and OAA are avatars of these two comic book writers. Pre Retcon Beyonder shitstomps the edgelord version of Batman into the ground, along with the rest of the DCverse. Not Pre-Retcon Beyonder’s either. There is nothing he can do to hurt him while Beyonder can snap his finger and destroy Flash and the universe. About Pre-retcon/Classic Beyonder. @zxzcczzcxz said: Fodder comic verse that lose to barely street tier verse and can't beat Warframe and Destiny vs high. Holo-Man • 3 yr. Thelastmlg said: thought robot is around baseline high hyperversal while beyonder is stronger that everyone in the marvel multiverse combined times some millions which includes the living tribunal and if i not wrong multi-eternity which both are baseline high hyperversal. He was like the 2nd strongest guy in Marvel, only underneath the One Above All. The Beyonder himself has been described as infinite-dimensional in a far more reliable and explicit narration, and been referred to as only possessing power. Possibly so, but if he was talking about. ago. 0. Beyonder is a top tier reality warper there is no spoon there is no trigger there is no SOK. beyonder post-retcon ii (aka beyonder-inhuman-mutant) 4. -Beyonder/s are bloodlusted. Pre Retcon Beyonder has been nearly killed before by lesser being and has been outsmarted more than once by people so far below his power level. Even if you want to argue that Beyonder is stronger, it doesn't matter, since Death has already feats of claiming infinite-dimensional entities, that are even. Respect Pre-Retcon Beyonder. #15 Azronger. Well even pre retcon beyonder. Forum Posts. Not even remotely close. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. Abraxas, the personification of the destruction of the multiverse, is likely somewhere around here, although since he only. R1: Post retcon Beyonder vs Bleach verse. @zxzcczzcxz said: Fodder comic verse that lose to barely street tier verse and can't beat Warframe and Destiny vs high. He'd be incredibly more versetile with his approach in the fight. . Edit: Darkest Knight and anti-crisis wonder woman probably also beat the beyonder, as they are empowered by the infinite crisis or anti-crisis energy (the fundamental good/bad energies of the universe, as provided by the presence. i wanted to do this match but their was also too big of a tier gap, but now it can happen both 1-A obviouslyYujiro copies The Beyonder's abilities but then says he won't need them to defeat him before showing The Beyonder the woman in him. Sep 20, 2018. 1. The Beyonders have nothing to do with Pre Retcon Beyonder. The first firmanent would be the only being who could challege beyonder in a fair fight . But that doesn't mean Perpetua's feats are bad. The Watchers. the other is a High Tier Reality Warper with disgusting hax also. 4 years ago. Even lower tier characters in Mythos would. Divyansh13. Beyonder wins with high difficulty . Seriously at his peak height, Pre Retcon Beyonder was something that no current DC character could handle. Both are in character. 7 K than i understand from other blogs Pre-retcon Beyonder is High 1-A/ High Outerversal in beyond-realm. Pre retcon beyonder was more of a plot device than a character lol. My favourite Marvel tier 1 vs. 412. ( INT^1. Origin: Marvel Comics. Pre-Retcon Beyonder, as powerful as he is, is STILL bound by dimensionality. Dr. Well technically Dr. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder TOAA is Marvel and the Presence/Elaine Belloc is DC, but there's a quote by Jim Shooter and Stan Lee from Marvel that puts The Pre-Retcon Beyonder more higher--even above TOAA, (including Elaine Belloc AKA the Presence) and that's “being millions and millions of times more powerful than Marvel". Some overkill ones would be The Brothers Death (apart from maybe small death), Scarlet King, etc. Community content is available under CC-BY-SA unless otherwise noted. Classification: Cosmic Entity. #1. With that said: Beyonder has ultimate authority in a void. CCC Gilgamesh vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Origin: Marvel Comics. @mr-yes: Yeah I don't see how this makes him stronger than this Beyonder, who tangibly bypassed all of Marvel cosmology (even the parts supposedly "beyond" it) and did his Pre-Retcon feats as a. Location-The Multiverse. She isn't on the level of Lucifer, or PR Beyonder, or anywhere close to TOAA. The Beyonder is a fictional character appearing in comicbooks published by Marvel Comics. I can break this down into more detail. Beyonder is tier High 1-B for being an infinite dimensional being meaning that the Marvel Universe has infinite dimensions confirmed. Hajun via feats and implied power. Tier= Universal+ | Creation. The One-Above-All - vs - Beyonder (Post-Retcon) # 35 K The One-Above-All Thats so * dumb, Post-retcon beyonder is universal+ and scales below eternity, pre-retcon beyonder might have a chance as he is the full beyond realm which infinitely transcends the main marvel multiverse TOAA includedBeyonder one writer turned the Beyonder into nothing more than a street-level jobber begging his Daddy or the Lost One to give him some of his powers to create a universe full of gambling and girlfriends because he probably doesn't have the power to do it simply because the Lost One is the source of all his powers and abilities. #8 Edited By Sungsam. ago. Archie sonic defeated someone who could destroy millions of MULTI-VERSE zones. Only if the Beyonder is in his realm, but that becomes a major stomp based on whats said here. which. Pre Retcon Beyonder shitstomps the edgelord version of Batman into the ground, along with the rest of the DCverse. My only question is: Is that Pre-Retcon. Not an expert on Beyonder, I just have a rough idea of his tier of power. New Comics. (50% off!) Beyonder vs The Presence. In terms of scaling, the downplay of most of the entire Marvel verse was frustrating. PRB has a lot of showings that would suggest otherwise. Pre Retcon Beyonder said that the combined powers of all the beings in the multiverse (including entities) where just like a drop in the sea and is considered to be a million times powerful than. @majinmike: Because Beyonder is considered nigh omnipotence , even we assume they can adapt his power, they can still get '' unmade'' ,because they are not even high tier cosmic beings. Dem nah, There's toaa, pre retcon beyonder, toba,and true form oblivion as obvious choices but there's actually alot more. Still Pre-Retcon Beyonder. This thread will only feature Pre retcon beyonder's feats, credits to rolldestroyer for the scans and information. Lucifer from DC comics (new-earth). A. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is a nigh omnipotent high tier multiversal reality warper there is no way in hell Anti-Spiral or even Simon could win against someone on that level of power. This is before Beyonder's drop in status so his current status is "Above Michael and Lucifer". Yes, pre-retcon MM was strong, but he needed so much support to get anything done. If i had to lowkey choose one blindly, i'd go with PRB. The molecule man destroys the machine and sends the enormous energies of the Beyonder into his beyond-realm forming a big bang and creating a new universe in the process - Scan 1, Scan 2, Scan 3, Scan 4 and Scan 5. Beyonder stomps Whole Touhou fodder verse with a thought,while beyonder has feats and proof of being 1-A(Outversal) not being limited to infinitely high geometric dimensions to the verse itself, there is touhou's verse in which the dimensions have been debunked and do not qualify as superior and the ability of yukari only works on beings of a level below her and. Universal. Not Pre-Retcon Beyonder’s either. Bernkastel first summoned few thousands kitties, Will resisted for a while, but it did not take long for the cats to rip off one of his. Round 9: Lord English (Anyone who served him and who were amped by him count) Respect Thread for him and a bit for his Servants. Oct 24, 2019PR Beyonder > Celestials > Phoenix Force. Manhattan is super strong. Follow 12333. Jan 22, 2018. This was the same time the first Secret Wars wherein Beyonder first. Defenders Beyond prove GoS abilities work on Beyonders or no. Multiversal. If someone can actually name a more. Wiki Points. ^2 + DUR^1. Manhattan) and has recreated a galaxy. Definitely Beyonder. PR Beyonder is millions of times stronger than the Marvel multiverse. Composite-DC/Vertigo's Infinite Hierarchy is. Beyonder, Pre-Retcon or Post-Retcon with minimum effort. Tiering System: High 1-B | 1-A Name:' The. Basically he is like the Amalgam Brothers, but so much powerful the Brothers would be microscopic in comparison. Name: The Beyonder, The One From Beyond, The One Who Is All, "Frank," Kosmos, The Maker, The Broken One. Manhattan. Name: Beyonder Origin: Marvel Tier: 1-B | 1-A Gender: Inapplicable Classification: Cosmic Entity Age: Unknown Abilites and Powers: Nigh Omnipotence, Omnipresence, Nigh Omniscience, Remote Mind Control, Reality Embodiment, Reality Condition, Physical Law Immunity, Reality Warping Weaknesses: None Notable Destructive Capacity: Beyond. Although marvel uses numbers to calculate; it's as if he's Alef Null x Billion beyond infinity that already exist, which Tribunal and many others have already transcended. beyonder (pre-retcon) old ones (the dark tower) the beyonders the dark tower Replies: 18; Forum: Versus Threads; the beyonders vs the Downstreamers. Beyonder one writer turned the Beyonder into nothing more than a street-level jobber begging his Daddy or the Lost One to give him some of his powers to create a universe full of gambling and girlfriends because he probably doesn't have the power to do it simply because the Lost One is the source of all his powers and abilities. Pre Retcon Beyonder is the Supreme Being of his Multiverse. 1,102. 14 years ago. The same way AAO is the Supreme Being of the Marvel Multiverse. Basically, either or both can be considered to be the presence, in either it's evil or good forms. Hit a Like And Subscribe To Help Out💵 “Wanna Donate/Support? 💵👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇💰PayPal💰. If someone can actually name a more. Per Hank Pym the events of SW2 actually DID happen and were not a "trick" by the abstract powers (which is what the retcon stated. Location. Composite-DC/Vertigo's Infinite Hierarchy is. Galactus (when reasonably fed) and the strongest Celestials. 4 years ago. Beyonder and Thanos . Pre Retcon Beyonder is more insane than his diet coke race counterparts Hickman used (yes they predate Hickman as Kubik in that FF4 comic shows, I know). He was like the 2nd strongest guy in Marvel, only underneath the One Above All. @dami24434: cosmology expansion. Post retcon would be a closer fight. One shieldy boi. Respect Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Beyonder is tier High 1-B for being an infinite dimensional being meaning that the Marvel Universe has infinite dimensions confirmed. I feel like Pre-Retcon Beyonder can do practically anything unless someone "more omnipotent" negates his power in some way. • Speed: The Beyonder doesn't have too many solid speed feats, Omnipresence isn't considered as a speed tier but rather a state of existence + he's only omnipresent within his realm. But it wont be easy by no means. I think you could argue rather convincingly that he's the 2nd moat powerful character in all of fiction, only behind TOAA. With that said, some random guy asked Tom Brevoort on Pre-retcon Beyonder being an omnipotent, and this is what he had to say. which is. The Beyonder is far, far beyond a Multiversal. both use 1B rating Both team have 10 Years of prep bloodlusted. Pre-Retcon Beyonder for the win, its just that one panel's narration about being billions or was it millions of times more powerful then all the multiverse combined, thats what convinces me he is above TOAA. 3. Then there is Inhuman/Mutant beyonder who had nothing to do with The beyonders. 1 Answer. MM is superior to LT due to defeating the Beyonders, who one-shotted LT in a. So as we know, Phoenix Force is an extremely powerful entity in Marvel. Versions-Strongest. I don’t know anything about Anos Voldigoad, but Beyonder beats pretty much anyone so I’ll. Ruphas have Higher dimensional manip. Cosmic Elvis. 8 ) ^ TIER Super Power Score and Level. Inhuman Mutant beyonder probably pretty sure it was his powers in spidey that let him remake all creation in a fraction of a second. 0. Grace ended months ago, but I'm pretty sure Aka's High 1-B key is being downgraded (still high 1-B but much lower on the tier). than i understand from other blogs Pre-retcon Beyonder is High 1-A/ High Outerversal in beyond-realm. Basically all Dragonball characters ever created in their most powerful form fight PR BEYONDER all at the same time. Beyonder displayed far superior implicated power than the. Beyonder - vs - Beyonder # 3. Yeah,it’s been retconned . PR-Beyonder was implied to be more powerful than the Living Tribunal, while Mxy was depowered by the Spectre, and Spectre has beaten other 5D imps before. No, he is likely Presence level. DC's cosmology is bigger than current Marvel's (due to the absolutely ungodly nerfs), but it's definitely not larger than Classic Marvel, where PRB hails from. Presence isn't all that impressive either, but enough to. Here, let me pull a Beyonder feat out of my ass: With mere thoughts, the Beyonder subjects the entirety of Earth and all of its' inhabitants (down to the very microbes) to his rule, causing the most powerful leaders to bow to him instantly. pre retcon beyonder is supposed to be above the living tribunal ( LT couldn't defeat him so he asked for MM's help) 11 years ago. . However, the Beyonder is beyond (pun wholly, shamelessly intended) simply universe level+. #44 Edited By Debunker020202. The beyonder is accordingy to comic book guys a 5th tier cosmic. And then we have the fact that Living Tribunal is three times stronger than Multi-Eternity. They may have gotten stronger and better feats post ret con but I. Just because Beyonder, originally wasnt from marvel multiverse doesnt mean that Beyonder isnt a marvel character, because he is. Sungsam. At that time, The Beyonder was more powerful than the Living Tribunal and thus everything else in the Marvel Universe. 6 + (POW + (SPS*SPL))^2 + COM^1. Tier: 1-B | 1-A. Created by writer Jim Shooter and artist Mike Zeck, the Beyonder first appeared in Secret Wars #1 (May 1984) as an unseen being who kidnapped the heroes and villains of the Marvel Universe and had them do battle on another planet called Battleworld. Yakushimi. Follow 41274. Transcendent. CC Goku is outerversal while in Uni Blue, meanwhile Pre retcon Beyonder as far as i know is high outer and has way better feats, apart from being part of a much larger cosmology. Again, I don’t kno Fu, but if he’s Hyperversal as ur sayin, or even higher, then he’d def beat Post-retcon. So, I looked at The Beyonder's (Pre-Retcon)profile and, found out that he is rated Tier High 1-B and likely, 1-A. Beyonder stomps Whole Touhou fodder verse with a thought,while beyonder has feats and proof of being 1-A(Outversal) not being limited to infinitely high geometric dimensions to the verse itself, there is touhou's verse in which the dimensions have been debunked and do not qualify as superior and the ability of yukari only works on beings of a level below her and does not work on beings of a. All reality was a dream created by Beyonder. ago. It is capable of becoming a Multiversal threat, but it's vastly weaker than any of the Apollyon-Class SCPs. Can he beat them?Magi and Saint seiya can take down the post retcon versions but not pre retcon. 548. But the Beyonder can destroy universal conceptual beings (as seen above when he kills death itself). Beyonder was affecting the entire Marvel multiverse or omniverse, or something like that, all at once. Honestly, current molecule man is a powerhouse even now, maybe even more so than his Pre-Retcon self. So it turns out that the Beyonder from Secret Wars,Secret Wars 2 is returning in the current Defenders run: Cannot connect to Twitter. Mxyzptlk, Lucifer Morningstar, & Maxwell (DC) VS Pre Retcon Beyonder, Molecule Man & Galactus (Marvel) 2. Scarlet King (SCP) Respect The Scarlet King (SCP Foundation)beyonder (pre-retcon) eternity galactus (marvel comics) marvel comics molecule man oblivion thanos (marvel comics) the beyonders the first firmament the living tribunal Replies: 12; Forum: Questions and AnswersPre Retcon Beyonder Stomps, the only powers that could hope to challenge him are The One Above, the Ultimate Source, The Presence, The Living Tribunal. The difference is that the first Beyonder was presented as having a radically different backstory and widely divergent level of power to how he was presented before. R1: Pre-Retcon Beyonder Takes Low-Mid Difficulty. Bonus round : pre retcon beyonder vs Rimuru. Inbetweener. -. The entire Watcher. Possibly the most powerful character in creation. u/nullfather can attest to that. Beyonder powered spiderman remade creation in like a nanosecond -. Word Lords, the Celestis, Faction Paradox, etc. 81. She easily could hold an infinite-D multiverse in her hand, while Beyonder's best feat was to shake an infinite-D multiverse. That’s how many drops of water there are in the ocean and marvel was only 1 drop compared to the beyonders power. Poll Scathan The Approver vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder (84 votes) Scathan 26%. Thought Robot without any effort. Manhattan is a low-medium tier matter manipulator. Tier: Stellar | Endless | Realium | Transcendent: Keys: Base Galactus power absorbed | Infamous Iron-Man | Dual Infinity Gauntlet God Emperor Doom | Pre-Retcon Beyonder absorbed: Extra: Simple words can't describe the glory of Dr Doom, as Galactus, he deserve more than 5 stars 😤Beyonder and Lucifer gets blinked by Shinra with his narrative manipulation. The 2nd Existential Seed said: Beyonder is either one of two things: Millions times stronger then Eternity, or millions times more powerful than LT + ( Even though I believe the first ) . City. The PR Beyonder was defined as a multiverse composed of literally everything outside of that, and that existence shared a single consciousness. 6. Nope. 8 ) ^ TIER Super Power Score and Level. And if we are talking about Cosmic hierarchy then Perpetua is higher tier then Mandrakk. 0. pre retcon beyonder is supposed to be above the living tribunal ( LT couldn't defeat him so he asked for MM's help) 11 years ago. This proves by showing you that he read the writer's mind and was able to talk to him and not only that, shred the comic-book and escaping to reality in 'Defenders: Beyond (2022-23)'Poll Current Lucifer Morningstar vs. He is a cosmic cube which is an Omni-dimensional object that can expand infinitely but that is only a limited part of him because he limits himself. Well, they are treated as the same character, the Beyonder who showed up post-retcon is, canonically, the same Beyonder who showed up pre-Retcon. R1: Pre-Retcon Beyonder Takes Low-Mid Difficulty. Pre Retcon Beyonder. The Beyonder/s (Marvel) vs Bleach universe. g. Name: The Living Tribunal Origin. In terms of straight up feats CAS Lucifer and Mandrakk all technically show better feats then Perpetua. 1 of 2 Go to page. Dec 24, 2015. God’s best feat is him creating the concept of light with a single command, while Beyonder has crazy other things that are. Anyway Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than most of the shit in marvel including multiversal threats like Galactus and Thanos. The Beyonder deafeated Doom-avec-Galactus' power and dissected him. Posts. Didn't Comic God of Stories affected Pre-Retcon Beyonder? 7 days ago. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. I am still wondering, the summary clearly says Racher Summers could beat the Beyonder if she absorbed all life force. Xeranthemum from Suggsverse, at least going by the wiki. The Beyond Realm is a existence that is beyond and older than the current Marvel Omniverse, Originally a realm that was from the Original Beyonder and due to retcons is currently housed by the Omnipotential beings known as The Beyonders. #2. Even lower tier characters in Mythos would. The Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)should be Tier 0. There has been several incarnations of the Beyonder, each a retcon of the one before. The powers of the PRB are attributed as unlimited; omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent. Reece became a lowly laboratory technician working at a nuclear plant owned by the Acme Atomics. Or, more accurately, He wills the predominating aspect of his presence from non-being to being, from void to reality, yet still encompassing both. Mephisto saying the same power from Beyonder himself collected had potential to actually defeat Beyonder. Rick Sanchez (Rick and Morty) Respect Rick Sanchez (Rick and Morty) Scarlet King (SCP). Ah I see so when people say flash is OP what they mean is OP with respect to most commonly cited superheroes/villains. R. unlimited power to manipulate matter and energy; invulnerable. @amendment50 @jardinain2 @decaf_wizard @watcher5000 Can help you out with his feats. Nothing's ever more ridiculous than claiming a guy who got extremely tired just from erasing Death from the multiverse, jobs like fucking crazy during Secret Wars II and lost a serious fight to Rachel Summers (which everyone seems to. Street----- Post-retcon isn’t anywhere near as powerful as Classic (Pre), but he’s still pretty powerful. I agree with his tier, but one thing I don't understand is how is beyonder above Oblivion when he is just above existene while Oblivion is not part of. CryptoName Owen Reece, Molecule Man Origin Marvel Tier: 1-B Gender: Male Classification: Mutant Age: Unknown Abilites and Powers: Matter Manipulation, Reality Warping, Space-Time Manipulation, Transmutation, Probability Manipulation, Molecular Manipulation Weaknesses: a non stable mind Destructive Capacity: Beyond Multiversal ( was able to. 0.